I, like many other bloggers around the world, will be bringing you live action over the next two days as India votes for her future. The motion of confidence in the council of ministers is expected to be debated upon today, with the vote tomorrow (22 July).
Some background reading:
The list of business today in the Parliament can be found here. What is important is this
DR. MANMOHAN SINGH to move the following:-
“That this House expresses its confidence in the Council of Ministers.”
Also, it may be worth reading upon the rules of conduct of the Lok Sabha available here. Especially worth noting are the sections related to confidence motions and rule 184
Save in so far as is otherwise provided in the Constitution or in these rules, no discussion of a matter of general public interest shall take place except on a motion made with the consent of the Speaker.A live webcast is available here.
Finally, as this is my first live blog, feedback is most welcome!
LoO = Leader of Opposition Mr. LK Advani (BJP)
PM = Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh (INC)
Update 3:15PM ACST: The National anthem was played and the new members were inducted into the Parliament by taking oath of allegiance to the Indian Constitution and the Indian people. At present, the speaker is making obituary references to those who have passed. Amongst them is the legendary Sam Bahadur
Update 3:25PM ACST: The words have been spoken. The PM makes the statement to the effect that the House express its confidence in the Council of Minsters. Goes on to say about the achievements of the UPA being together for 4 years and that the credit goes to Sonia Gandhi. PM then talks about the "sense of the house" with regards to the Nuclear deal.
Update 3:32PM ACST: The Leader of the Opposition raises to speak, and wishes to oppose the motion brought forward by the PM. In most cases, a Resume of the Government's performance has been given. The focus on the house, should be on why the debate has become necessary. States that the NDA and the Left agree on ,this particular matter only, even though they disagree on many others.
Update 3:41PM ACST: UPA government is like patient in ICU. The first question asked is, "Is he going to survive or not?" Interruptions in the House. Speaker trying his best, to control the house. Some semblance of order regained. LoO goes on. You started this Mr.PM. You had your seniormost minister preside over a committee. I have seen statements categorically assuring the country, we will not go to the IAEA, without the sense of the house. The LoO is doing a good act of "we didn't know anything!". The chairperson of the UPA appears, with a smug look on her face. Please don't blame anyone else for having this session. For the first time in Indian parliament, the session over two days to decide the fate of the minority government. Not in our nature to destablize a Government. You may do it with Vajpayee in 1999 when we lost by one vote. Distinction between defeating a government and destablizing a government.
More interruptions
Update 3:45PM ACST: I have seen shortlived governments, I have seen unstable governments, but I have never seen a paralyzed government. If the government really though that the deal was really important, why doesn't the CMP or the INC party manifesto mention it. The deal is not between two soverign countries, but between two individuals. One individual is the PM of this country who thinks there is nothing more important than to fulfill this deal. I don't want India to be a junior partner in this deal. India cannot be classified as a non-nuclear weapons state.
Update 4:00PM ACST: Can the government enlighten us on whether the Indian Parliament has become redundant, with respect to articles appearing in the Telegraph. We are not against nuclear energy. We are not at all against a close relationship with America. Irrespective of anyhting else, we will never like India to become party to an agreement which is unequal. With respect to this particular deal, makes us subservient partner in this deal. The Hyde Act imposes restrictions on our foreign policy. The government's response is "Hyde Act does not apply to us" whereas the American response is that the Hyde Act does apply. Today is not the occasion when we discuss the deal. Today for all practical purposes the deal means that Indira Gandhi may have done Pokhran 1, Vajpayee may have done Pokhran 2, but there will be no Pokhran 3 or Pokhran 4. Please do not justify what you are doing, by quoting Vajpayee. Pt. Nehru was never in favour of making India a nuclear weapons state. Mrs. Gandhi was the first INC PM to undertake a nuclear test and successfully. We will renegotiate the deal to make it a deal between equals.
Update 4:12PM ACST: Biggest advantage of deal is that India becomes part of the non-proliferation deal. The INC's performance on the "aam admi" front has been so dismal, that they relied on the deal to tell them that opposition to the deal would be a denial of life. Please give us the figures on when we will get nuclear power if the deal goes through. What price? How much? Let us not try to delude the Indian people by saying we are trying to give energy security to the country and say that we are okay with constraining our national security with respect to nuclear tests. On all fronts INC's performance has been miserable. Don't try to cover it up by saying that nuclear deal will give everyone electricity. During the NDA front, the achievement was the roads and highways.
Update 4:22PM ACST: In 1950 India adopted a secular constitution as theocracy is alien to Indian culture and tradition. Does secularism mean an allergy to Hindus, function in a manner that makes people think that a secular state must be indifferent to a major religion? Why is this government indifferent to terrorist attacks in India? Blasts in Mumbai, Malegaon, Hyderabad, India, Ayodhya etc. I would like the PM or the Home Minister, to tell us what has been the progress of investigation in all these cases. To the best of my information, the performance is so dismal on this front. I see no other reason excepting a consideration of vote banks. Terrorism has no religion, and threfore action against terrorists will not annoy any community. Let us not equal national security with vote bank politics.
Update 4:31PM ACST: LoO makes references on the Sethusamudram project. Interruptions in the house. Ahh, the arguementative Indian. Pathetic display by leaders that claim to be elected by popular vote. I wonder what their parents taught them. House bought under control. Various institutions of government misused for questionable politics.
Okay I am going offline for a bit. Will be back in an hour.
Update 6:54PM ACST: Okay I am back and I shall try to give updates on the half hour, starting from 7PM. The BJP has spoken, the CPI has spoken and the INC has spoken. Let's see who's up next.
Update 7:00PM ACST: SP (Rajender Yadav) taking its stand now. Due to bad connection, updates may be later than expected.
Update 7:30PM ACST: Everything is relative. Everyone looks from their own perspective. There are few people opposing this in public due to their own self interest. When we support something, we look at the character of the politician. I find that I do not find anything wanting in the integrity and honesty of the PM and that is one reason why I support him. Proceeds to rebut the allegations of the LoO and the CPI. Talks about "coalition dharma". Takes aim at the comment of "Is parliament irrelevant?". Praises the democratic spirit of the PM to take Parliament into confidence thereby demonstrating the relevance of Parliament. We test because we want to know if something is working correctly or not. There is nothing in the deal which prevents us from acting in our national interest. When LKA was Deputy PM and Home Minister, then attacks were carried out on the Parliament. Refers to the Keshavananda Bharati v Union of India case, with respect to the importance of the preamble of the Constitution. Then goes on to rebut CPI's 6 principle arguement.
Brings up the folly of Panchsheel. Highlights Sino-Indian war. Touches on women empowerment. Brings out the mistreatment of Taslima Nasreen in Bengal. Highlights that the Left stand has always been one of shifting the goalposts. Concedes that nuclear energy will take a long time. Argues with Left on the available supply of coal in India. Explains problems with global warming and Hydroelectrical energy. You (Left) have dictated the terms to the PM. Is he your servant? Your ego is issuing cheques your political will cannot cash (or words to that effect). "Left" is a term used by the french revolution as the people of the Left were always against. It is better if you joined the Left, as it suits your position.
We have low supply of uranium and thorium reactors are far from realisation. VAT also increased prices of oil. Guess who was on the committee for VAT?
Update 7:33PM ACST: It is not the folly of just the UPA for the increase in prices. The PM knows that LKA is not opposing. He is just sad that he cannot sign on the dotted line. It remains to be seen who will be the new PM for the NDA-Left combine. You talk about purity, but you only look for the satisfication of one person's ego!
Manhandling goes on. MPs storm into the well. Very pathetic this. I most certainly did not expect it from either the SP or the Left. Adjourned for the moment
Update 7:45PM ACST: House reconvenes. SP starts to speak again. In my years as a parliamentarian, there has not been an incident, when I have been accused to being unparliamentary. My mind is uneased at the recent incidents. You (Left) used to go red when you saw the BJP. Now you are voting with them? Please abstain
Ramkripal Yadav (RJD) address the house. We do not want the coming generations to say that we let go of a chance when we had the opportunity to alleviate their problems. Sorry he's going too fast for me to type. I will try once again at 8PM.
Update 8:00PM ACST: Internet really slow, therefore no update possible. I can faintly hear RJD rebutting the Left, saying that red and saffron can never mix together. Will try again in 15-20 mins.
Update 8:15PM ACST: Looks like the Speaker has quit and got the Deputy Speaker to preside. Don't know why though. Absolute pandemonium in the House. Am trying to get a sense of what is happening. Will update on that once I realise what's happened. From what I see, the deputy speaker unfortunately, can't handle this situation. Just as it was going down it has flared up again.
Update 8:30PM ACST: The RJD MP is talking about illegal mining in Rajasthan. What this has got to do with the nuclear deal, or the general scheme of things, I don't know. The RJD MP is now concluding the speech, or atleast being told to conclude by the Speaker. RJD brings up chargesheets. If LKA can vote with a chargesheet, why can't our (RJD) MPs vote as well? Concludes by supporting the confidence motion
Now BSP (Brajesh Pathak) comes on. Complains about the standards of Parliament. The people of the country are not ones to tolerate dealers, they want leaders.
Update 8:45PM ACST: America wants to make India subservient to it. If the deal is signed, we will be handing the remote America. The world knows the deals that UPA made with Saddam Hussein. What was Saddam's fault? He wanted to sell his oil. America wanted to control Iraq's oil. The government should have got an all party consensus. When we want to go to a different village or city, we too do the same thing within our own family. Why is the INC hurrying for this deal? Some venomous words with repsect to the PM. Can't translate all due to my slow pickup of Hindi (and the fact that the MP is yelling at the top of his lungs and his voice is "clipping"). I wish to ask how many people can survive on Rs.100. Why isn't the government not concentrating on the rise in prices? Why are they fixated on the nuclear deal?
Next update at 9:30PM
Update 9:30 ACST T R Baalu (DMK) is speaking. Rises to support motion on behalf of Karunanidhi. Recognises support from the Left. Raises the proverb "Friend in need is a friend indeed". Seeks to mollify the Left, saying that they will support UPA on most issues except nuclear deal. Does not wish to answer on matters sub judice. Why do we need power? For any developing nation, to ensure continual development, we need power coupled with infrastructure, social and physical. Rattles out power requirement and availability. Shrewd investment implies diverse product mix. Therefore, we should have a product mix of power production infrastructure. Therefore we need nuclear power. Agreement not at the cost of indigenous nuclear program. Not at the cost of strategic nuclear program or our RnD. Baalu then tells of what the agreement does and does not include. Notes that the provision does not infringe on the right to conduct a nuclear test. This country will never compromise its foreign policy. Agreement ends nuclear isolation. Why is the crusade conducted by Karunandhi and Sonia Gandhi been questioned? Per capita income during 2003-2004 was Rs 20000, in 07-08 was 30000. Foreign reserve $304.8 billion in UPA regime. Food grain production as of now is 227 million tonnes and is the highest produced in India after 60 years. Is this not the mangement of the government? Inflation exists, but commodities are available to the market.
Under the able guidance of Sonia and Manmohan, provided budgets over and above the previous government in the areas of social infrastructure, such as new Universities etc. 1.75 Lakh Crores for rural irrigation, reaching 38 million hectares, although a target was 10 million hectares. A vote against us is a vote against the rural development. We have provided 45 Lakhs worth of rural homes. A vote against us, is a vote against the poor.
Until 2007-2008 we provided for 200 districts under NREGS. Now we have increased to 604 disctricts. This year an incease of 33% of budget. Time is running out says the speaker. On the roads, there has been marked improvement on roads (reels of statistics. Too fast for me). UPA completes 5948 km of roads, whereas NDA only completed 2000 odd km. More contracts awarded under UPA than under NDA.
When NDA left, there was no maritime policy. The UPA developed a new maritime policy, identifying two strategic ports within 2 - 3 years. Please vote for us, if you are pro-poor. Finishes on that note
Anant Gete (Shiv Sena). Mr Speaker, the PM has said that the Government is in a dangerous position. Interruptions. It has come to be in this position because the support given by the Left has been withdrawn. The government should have been sacked at the time that support was withdrawn. More interruptions. The discussion today is on the confidence of the house. The discussion is not on the nuclear deal.
Update 10:00PM ACST: SS continues. There was a similar situation in 1991. To save the government, there are parallels drawn with respect to horse-trading in 1991 and now. Infact the situation is worse than 1991. Interruptions. Let this go to privilege. Interruptions. Bring back Somnath Chatterjee I say!!! Mr. Yadav, before putting a privilege motion on me, why don't you show the courage to face the media with the figures they have been quoting.
Interruptions. The INC is telling us that the only big problem is the nuclear deal and nothing else. Inflation is predicted to be going to 15 or 16 percent. We want to know what is happening from the UPA side on controlling the exponential rise in prices. The only excuse being given is that this is happening in the world. Per capita income per day is Rs.12. 38% of the population is BPL. I have been power minister in the NDA government for 12 years. I know the situation of power in the country. There are 45% of regions in certain states in India, where ther is no system of even distributing power. Even if the problem of power is solved, these states can't get power. Delhi does not generate a single megawatt of power. I am telling you how successful your government is. Lalu vacates the House. The LoH mentioned figures on the deficit of installed capacity of the country. Also mentioned the increases in deficit if nothing was to be done. Previously in a seminar, Sushil Kumar Shinde mentioned that even now the potential of Hydel power is 1.5 Lakh Megawatt. Hydel is the cleanest and cheapest source of power. There is no question of the environment, the government's will to act is needed. Your courage to stake the government on the deal, where has it gone with respect to Hydel? Sonia Gandhi lets out a smile (don't know why). What I am saying is the situation on the ground. The situation is that Maharashtra which was No.1 state in India, there is 14 hours of load shedding. Inspite of all talk about 70000 crore, there is not a provision of a sinle provision. When you go asking for votes, the people, the farmers will ask you the same question. Even now, the farmers are committing suicide.
Interruptions
Co-operative banks who have given loans, where is the money coming from? Maharashtra is in drought. Government banks are not giving loans to farmers. Honest farmers who have paid installments have not been given loans.
Interruptions
You are putting a blindfold on the farmers of India. I will resign if you can find me one farmer having had a loan waiver has been given a new loan. Pandemonium in the house. People threatening to leave, others baiting them to leave.
Can't believe the largest democracy can come to this. I know this is unconstitutional, but surely there's some kind of way to stop this carrying on. It's the fault of each and every party in the house, not just the UPA or NDA
Update 10:30PM ACST: Somnath is back!!! And he stamps his authority from his arrival. Tells SS to finish it off ASAP. SS says, on the deal of the nuclear deal, the Left withdrew support and gave a reason. The government must answer all these reasons, especially with respect to the Hyde Act. America is the 2nd East India Company.
Mehto of JMM starts now. The LoO has capitalised on the issues confronting us. Let us focus on the 4 years of the UPA rule and not just on the deal. Why does the government want to rush into the deal? High rate of inflation is causing distress. Is keeping faith with GW Bush greater priority than with the Indian people? Ever since Left withdrew, the trust vote has been painted as a up or down on the nuclear deal. ABV posed 3 points after 18 July 2005. These relate to constraining India's nuclear power. 3 years later, these apprehensions prove to be prophetic. NDA government did take initiative to engage in strategic dialogue. However, India was a pariticipant not a supplicant in the dialogue. We believe that India today has the right and might to be treated as an equal. Our party is not against nuclear energy, or strategic partnership with USA. Huge and growing dependence on hydrocarbons and soaring oil prices, forcing search for renewable energy. In my state, the cost per unit energy is Rs. 2.30. With nuclear power the cost escalates to Rs 7. Not many people have read 123 Agreement or the Hyde Act or the IAEA Act 1954. Yet many speak about the deal and suggest its implication. Does this government or the PM contemplate amending India's Atomic Energy Act. The issue is not of niceties, but the dignity of parliamentary etiquette. Where is the Indian in this issue when the INC seeks the help of parties bent on regionalism. When you are not sure you are going to survive in another 48 hours or 108 days, what is the value of your promises. Don't play with the sentiments of the people.
I have great respect of India with respect to Atomic Energy. We started with nothing, except that dare to attempt the impossible. Everything was our own and self-inspired. We learnt what we did not know. In 1998 the world led by the USA ganged up against us to suffocate our program. No one has been able to accuse India of proliferation. We are self confident, yet we must recognise constraints. We need to circumvent the embargo. Only a small part of technology program is actually nuclear program. The question is, if the program is to take India forward, what are we giving in return? Is the deal on an equal footing? The deal puts us in a subservient position. Deal doesn't state that we are a nuclear weapons state, neither does it mention that we are a non-nuclear weapons state. Is this where we want to be? The decision to protect the interest of the nation must be taken at a political level. Broad consensus doesn't exist. Left has deserted PM. The crisis is instructive of how ideological principles go for a toss when a cynical agenda comes out to a force. What has happened to institutions that the Government has created? Speaker says time is over. JMM concludes.
Anand Sharma (INC). On that note I am calling it a night. Thanks to all that have been watching. Look forward to all your comments.
Update 22 July 1:40PM ACST: Okay I'm back and once again half-hour updates are the norm. I will get started once Parliament begins. Thanks for all the comments, keep them coming, I appreciate it!
Update 22 July 2:30PM ACST: I personally think that the Government should win. I'd rather watch them struggle for every vote, reflecting their pathetic state for the past 5 years.
Yesterday, I was watching speeches until Das Gupta's speech. The two best speakers IMHO were LKA and Pranab Mukherjee. I couldn't even make sense of the BSP guy and I suspect neither could anyone else. The Deputy Speaker kept on telling him to modulate his voice so others could understand but the BSP guy couldn't care less.
What I found funny with Das Gupta's speech was his rails against capitalism rather than a point by point approach to why they pulled out of the Government. I'm no speechwriter, but I would suspect that their best chances of vindication lies in expading on their letter of intention to withdraw support. Many of "solutions" that his party gave the UPA to combat inflation were so unworkable that it'd make them a laughing stock. Hell all of the solutions were taxing the rich!!
Update 3:00PM ACST: Okay about to start. Here we go!! Speaker comes in. Extends congratulations to the Junior Indian Hockey team being crowned Asian Champs. List of Business for today here. Item No 7 is what we need. Interruptions in the house start. P Chidambaram (INC) starts. Salim says we've moved from the basic principles of the CMP. I will deal with 2 of the 6 principles.
Ensuring sustained growth of economy. After 42 months, growth of 8.2%. Average growth was 5.6% in NDA government. 11th plan began in 2007. Maintained that we will grow close to 9%. Growth is actually 9.1%. Resounding start to the 11th plan. Talks about record statistics. Interruptions. How did these come about? Due to far sighted plans, and attention to detail. Government launched many schemes. Revived co-op credit institutions. Under this Govt's charge, capital formation in agriculture has increased from 10% to 12%. Show me any other 4 year period, when so much has been done for agriculture. This is difficult year, but we will achieve a growth rate better than what is mentioned in the CMP and far better than what achieved during NDA rule.
Another principle was improvement of farmers' life. This government has done a lot for farmers. We have addressed needs of farmers in a systematic way. Some are visible. In order to take care of farm labour, we introduced NREG. In less than 15 months, the scheme has been rolled out to all the 597 rural districts of India. Why didn't the NDA do this? We increased old-age pension and I ask why the NDA turned a blind eye to old people. We introduced Aam Admi Bima Yojana etc. why didn't the NDA not organise a single scheme such as this? Never before has any government undertaken a loan waiver scheme as we have. Death waiver has been granted for 50000+ crore. Death relief for a further 16000+ crore. More interruptions. Anant Gete leads the interruptions (Ek rupiya nahi hai, ek rupiya bhi nahi hai). Total amount granted by waiver was 66000+ crore. Among the beneficiaries, 2 crore small farmers. 65 Lakh other farmers. Honourable members note that I have more than fulfilled my promise made to this house. Increase in the sowing area and reflected increase in the food production at the end of the year.
This debate concerns the deal. India signed agreements with many countries. We need to cross 2 stages before operationalising the deal. First is a safeguards agreement and the 2nd is a waiver from the NSG. Questions raised about Hyde Act and 123 Agreement. In 1954 USA adopted Atomic Energy Act. Act prohibits USA from cooperating with other countries before certain provisions. Hyde Act became law in 2006. 123 Agreement signed in 2007. Fact is that US President issued a statement when signing Hyde Act. Question is what is the statement of the 123 Agreement. In US, 123 Agreement is not inconsistent with the Hyde Act. 123 Agreement brings upon the exception in the Hyde Act.
123 Agreement is to enable full civil nuclear energy cooperation between two countries. Either on an industrial scale or a commerical scale. Agreement enters into force when parties exchange notes informing completion of all required legal formalities. Enabling agreement only. Next question is how to interpret 123 agreement under Indian and international law. Agreement to be implemented in accordance with principles of customary International law and Vienna Convention. Internal law does not prevent 123 Agreement obligations being peformed. When 123 Agreement is ratified, it will be the last expression by the legislature on the subject. Chidambaram goes to explain US Constitution. Under the Vienna Convention, we are only bound by the 123 Agreement and nothing more. Hyde act does not apply to us.
Update 3:30PM ACST: UPA Left committee held 9 meetings. At 5th meeting, Left parties were not opposed to safeguards agreement in principle. Objection to the 123 Agreement. Agreed that Government talks to IAEA, and then goes to the committee with the outcome of the talks with the IAEA. We have done nothing that is non-transparent. We have done it in a most transparent manner.
Update 3:58PM ACST: When we decided to circulate the text to the IAEA board, it was made available in India. More interruptions in the house. Phew, chance to catch my breath, rest my fingers a bit. Chidambaram is a bloody good lawyer I tell you. INC continues The short question is, does India want to end the nuclear isolation we have found ourselves in since 1974. ABV said in the UN General Assembly "These tests do not signal a dilution in the spirit of nuclear disarmament. We announced a voluntary moratorium on underground testing. India's already accepted a basic obligation on the CTBT". Speaks on what Vajpayee said (not writing about that, too hard to follow). What this government has done is taken ABV's words forward. Do we want to come out of nuclear isolation? What is China doing? China's electricity is 80% coal and 18% hydel. 2% in nuclear power. Mainland China has 11 reactors are in operation, 6 are under construction. Additional construction is planned, to increase a 6 fold increase in power production by 2020, and a further 3-4 fold increase by 2030 (160000MW). Aims to become self sufficient in the fuel cycle. Moves to build reactor started in 1970. Technology drawn from France, Russia and Canada. Latest technology acquisition from USA. There are some people in India, that do not want India to compete with China, they do not want India to move ahead. More interruptions mainly from the CPI. I have no hesitation in saying I want to emulate China. I want India to become a superpower. When we talk about India, we need to talk about other such countries, like China. We must aspire to greater heights. When we talk about growth, it is a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition. Statistics about China's agricultural and other production, World average and India's production. When I say we must grow, we must produce more. Let me conclude by saying, the BJP and NDA seem to agree on ending nuclear isolation. After all interruptions, no one is clear on the stand of the left parties. More interruptions. Yet the two groups who are voting together. NDA has no problem with a strategic relation with USA. Left is opposed to US partnership, yet they vote together. NDA believes India becoming nuclear weapons. Left disagrees, yet they vote together. Says something similar again, amidst interruptions. Chidambaram is good...he is sticking it up to the Left. GO CHIDAMBARAM!!! More interruptions. I doubt if in the history of Parliament anything bizzare. More interruptions. From the speaker's chair, you welcomed young members of Parliament. Out there, young members of India look to the Parliament. We can make their future, if we have the vision to take this forward. In the late 80's Rajiv Gandhi and Narasimha Rao charted a new path. The PM is also doing the same with respect to nuclear power. Concludes supporting the motion
VK Malhotra (BJP) rises. Speaker says 39 minutes left. 7 members of the UPA have spoken. They have talked on and on about statistics. Whatever it is, all elections in India post UPA, the INC has faltered badly. Why? You are not in a minority, yet you still show these figures? In the 4 years of the INC rule, it has been a shambles. The biggest sin is that the UPA it has indulged in horsetrading to keep itself in power. Interruptions. Government agencies are taking part in this horsetrading. Point of order, under rule 352 raised, accepted. Malhotra continues, raises points on the CBI investigations. Speaker and Malhotra in a face-off regarding MPs with criminal convictions. Interruptions. Talks about voting in Punjab. Even speaker asks BJP to stick to the subject. More interruptions. Speaker stands. Threatens to put the motion to vote. Adjourns house for 45 mins
Update 4:15PM ACST: And we're back on. Speaker says, Impossible to maintain decorum in this house or an atmosphere where a responsible discussion can take place. Please maintain decorum. Please do not make personal allegations or insinuations.
Update 4:30PM ACST:Malhotra back on. Starts harping on the same thing. There are many things on the nuclear deal that have been said. I will not add more to it, yet there has been lies being spread. No one has noticed that the spending 20 Lakh crore rupees, will only get India's 5% of power. This deal will make India a nuclear slave to all the companies involved in the business of nuclear energy. It has been said time and again that we are not bound by the Hyde Act only the 123 Agreement. However, whenever this is said, the next day America says that the moment a test is conducted, the deal is off. Whenever two parties agree to a deal, they must agree on the same terms. In the world, countries such as UK, France have shut down their nuclear energy. Why? They feel that other forms of energy such as solar, wind must be sought. Australia has largest Uranium mines, however why doesn't it have a nuclear plant? Only after 30 years, only 5% energy will be generated. However, the Hydel potential exists in the North East, does not find a mention. All our nuclear experts have reminded the Government. They speak of the achievements in 4 years. However, the biggest sin they've committed is the rising prices. Time and again, the PM has said we will put a stop to rising prices. Even the FM and UPA Chair said similar things. Inflation is rampant. The CPI has increased to 300%. UPA says it's a world problem. When prices go up, other countries must have a problem. In Japan, the prices have increased by 0.8%. Small amounts in other countries. Why do we have 12%? You have run the government in the wrong manner. Speaks about corruption in NREGS. Now LPG prices are rising. Mani Shankar Aiyer has said that high growth is not reaching the common man. Rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. Aiyer clarifies. No point in referring to a statement I made more than a year ago. More interruptions. The stock market has collapsed. FII's are withdrawing investment in the stock market. India's credit rating has been downgraded. NDA left behind a booming economy, the UPA has destroyed it
Update 5:00PM ACST: What is happening with terrorism? What are you doing with ISI? You are indirectly helping them recruit! Till not, there are more than lakhs affected by terrorism. What hapened? You got rid of the only anti-terrorist law in the country. Do whatever you want they said. Yesterday there was a problem with the shrine board. When the shrine land was given back, there was news that a Hajj temple was created. We give 4 crore for Hajj subsidy. We have no problem that. No other country does that. But why take away 100 acres of shrine land? When hindus want 100 acres, a hue and cry is raised, yet crores of money is spent on Hajj. Even if the land is given, then cries of Pakistan Zindabad is raised? SP has raised the issue that 2 currencies need to run in India. Why? More interruptions. INC's ex-CM went to Canada when cries of Khalistan were raised, and this happens in India? PM says that we should not oppose good actions. Is making India a servant of America a good act? BJP goes on like this. We do not need a certificate of patriotism from the UPA. These people have lost the trust of the people. Therefore MPs who wish to support confidence motion lose the confidence of the people.
Rahul Gandhi (INC) rises. Yesterday, when I was thinking of what I would say, I came to a conclusion. I decided that it is important at this point not to speak as a member of a party but to speak as an Indian. Interruptions. I will speak in English and Hindi. All I ask is that you listen to me. Please listen to me. Don't agree, but listen. I decided that I would speak as an Indian. I would take a step that a lot of MPs do not do. I decided to make an assumption. The assumption is that regardless of party lines, all speak on the interest of this nation (clever call). Yesterday I thought about why we meet in here today. Why is it that this house needs to meet. I came to the conclusion that we are meeting because there is a serious problem in India. And the problem is our energy security. Three days ago, I went to Vidarbha, and I met a young lady who has 3 sons. The young lady is a landless labourer who lives on 60 rupees a day. Her husband earns 90 a day. With the total earnings they make, they have put 3 of their children to private school. I spent an hour with these people and spoke to their sons. The eldest son dreams of becoming a collector. The middle, an engineer. The youngest, a private job. When I asked the lady if the children will be successful, she said yes. As I was walking out of hte house, I noticed that there was no electricity in the house, and I asked the children how do you study. The children pointed to a lamp and said we study using that lamp. Sir, this problem of energy security reflects itself every day with all of us. It reflects itself among the poor, with industry, among all Indians. Interruptions. Energy affects India's growth and energy is responsible for allowing us to grow at 9% and that growth is responsible for allowing for helping alleviation of poverty. If we do not secure our energy supply into the future, growth will stop and we cannot fight poverty, which every single member of this house wants to do. I have stated what the problem is, and I will go back again to Vidarbha to state a possible solution. I would go to a house to another young lady having 9 children. Her husband committed suicide, so please respect her. The husband committed suicide because he depended on the cotton crop only. I asked her what she did. More interruptions. Personal opinion: I am disenchanted with the Government. This is absolutely pathetic. A bunch of geriatrics shouting at a young turk. Back to the show. Speaker fixes a time for the voting. No more discussion he says. Mukherjee exhorts people to resume their seats and asks the debate to continue. Rahul Gandhi continues. Instead of sowing one crop, she sows 3. She bought 2 buffaloes, and has milk as a source of income. She has a pond, fills it with water and uses it as insurance. The answers to our energy problem. More interruptions. Looks like BSP is the main culprit.
Pandemonium reigns supreme. Adjourned till 2PM. This is absolutely pathetic. I may or may not agree with Rahul Gandhi, but the manner in which he was shut down is simply ludicrous....give the guy a friggin chance people!! Sorry if I am acting out of bounds, but I'm his generation, so I get a bit riled up.
Update 6:20PM ACST: Just got coverage. Sorry for the delay, will try to fix ASAP.
UPdate 6:30PM ACST: Acharya speaking. The way CBI is being misused to get the meajority, is most condemnable. I demand that an impartial inquiry should be held and that can be done only by a house committee. We demand a house committee be constituted. Interruptions.
Das Gupta says that a serious complaint has occured. The House should take cognisance of the matter and form a committee suo moto. Point of Order raised under Rule 369. Rahul Gandhi starts again. This morning I spoke two poor families and Mrs Kala said she had diversified her income sources and used it to stabilize her family and bring up her children. At the very least, the nuclear deal will act like Kala's pond and act as insurance to the country. The problem is that way our nuclear industry is positioned today, it is neither going to act as insurance nor is it going to act or potential to act as a fundamental source of energy. The hands of our scientists and establishment are tied. They do not have fuel, investment or technology. I am very proud to say that our PM has recognised the problem and a potential solution. It would be unfair of me not to accept that ABV also solved the problem and also in his time worked on the solution. Please clap! On this account please clap! Now I have stated an all of us know that there is a problem with regards to energy in this country. It is a problem that all of us need to solve working together. As I said, senior leaders have also established that way forward is diversification and a balanced portfolio including nuclear, hydrocarbon and wind. It is not enough to identify a problem and a potential solution. The magic of what the PM is doing is that within the problem, he has identified an opportunity that is larger than the problem itself. The opportunity is based on a simple fact, that over the next 30-40 years, 2 countries are going to use the largest bulk of new energy. These countries, have the ability to define the way the world's energy moves.
Update 7PM ACST: Our old opponents the British, grew to their prominence because they control coal. The USA today controls hydrocarbons, and we all know of their harm. What I am suggesting is that we think as a big and powerful country. Instead of how the world will impact us, we think about how we will impact the world. Many years ago, this country embarked on a path which many people did not believe in. We developed the IT/Telecom industry in which very few people believed that India would play a major role in this industry. Very few believed that computers would empower the poor. All of us today see the impact that ITES has had on this country and we must not forget this. We are at a crossroads where a decision must be made. It is not about India's usage of nuclear energy. It is about whether India can become a global power, with a type of energy that will become important in the future. We know the link between hydrocarbon dependence and prices. When we think about nuclear energy, we must think about the poorest in the country. When we were talking about IT, we were talking about the poor. One must not underestimate the connection between the industry and the poor. I have taken a lot of time, and I do not want to go on forever. The difference between a powerful country and a country that is not powerful and does not have a similar impact on the world is that former thinks about how it impacts the world and the latter thinks about how the world will impact it. It does not matter how the government runs the country, but it does matter on how it impacts the world. We must step out and worry about how we will impact the world. As I said earlier, I speak today as an Indian. We are all building this country together and we must solve our problems together. This is what differentiates us and gives us true power. I am proud of the fact that every voice can be heard in this country. We must never ever let fear be our guide. We must never act on the basis of fear, but only courage. We are a country where 70% are younger than me. This country is brimming with confidence. We have to believe in our people and we have to have confidence in what we are doing. These are guides not only for INC but for all Indians, that when you do act, act with courage. With that together, we can change this country and impact the world. I say this a youngster, it does not matter what happens today, but what matters is that we work together. I support the motion.
Party XYZ (unknown) rises. Opposes motion. Just now we were hearing that all the sections of this house should move together united and unanimous, but unfortunately, under the stewardship of the PM, the UPA has fallen apart. Since the time he has been advocating the deal, parties have left the UPA en masse. We are hopeful that they will lose the trust vote. There have been advertisements in the newspapers, from darkness to light. Both the PM and the UPA Chairperson, have kept the country in darkness by announcing talks with IAEA. The MEA announced they'd only go to IAEA after the trust vote, the PM was already having talks. They have kept their alliance in darkness, Lalu is always in darkness. Everybody in the alliance was in darkness. The INC has to learn from history that making such deals, they will lose power. After the Bofors deal, they are entering into another deal against the national interest. The people will punish this government. There is so much of confusion. Yesterday, the MEA was urging us that have patience. We are having patience. Why are you hurrying with the deal at the detriment of the national interest. This government is running on the trust of God. I want to ask some straight questions. Whether this government is agreeing deal and putting a moratorium on all future testing? The Hyde Act also requires USA to extract a date after which India will not pursue weapons grade plutonium. Will this be done? India has the 2nd largest reserve of Thorium. This is enough to ensure nuclear independence for perpetuity. Why are we going ahead with Uranium based nuclear deal with the USA? What are the compulsions by which they are spending money on technologies not needed to nuclear technology? PC was saying Hyde Act has no bearing on the deal. Will the PM clarify this matter? The PM is not sticking true to his oath. Forced to conclude.
Lalu Prasad Yadav (RJD) rises. In the history of the country, a courageous step has been taken by the PM. This Parliament is a temple, in which I place my trust. These parties have come to place a vote of no cofidence. A story exists in the Mahabharat where a demon was not to die in the morning or the night. He died in the evening, at the very time you have put the motion to vote. Everyone has spoken, but the major issue is about the nuclear deal. CPM doesn't even know what the deal was about. Till yesterday, they supported us, now they're against us.
I am stopping blogging for the time being...I'm laughing too much. Plus the hindi is very rustic for me to understand. Next update at 7:30PM
Update 7:45PM ACST: Lalu finishes. Vasudev Acharya rises. Opposes the motion. Questions the value of 276 mentioned by LoH. UPA had 226 not 276. My internet connection just crashed, so I can't access it now. Will try at 8:00PM
Update 8PM ACST:Interruptions in the house. Money is being shown? I wonder what it is. Everyone rushes down to the well as the house is adjourned.
Update 8:21PM ACST: Allegedly 3 BJP MPs were "paid off" by SP MPs to abstain from voting. This is a farce. Regardless of if the allegation is true or not, farcical scenes ensuing.
Update 8:30PM ACST: House adjourned till 9PM ACST.
Update 9:00PM ACST: House adjourned till 10PM ACST.
Update 10:00PM ACST: The parliament has reconvened and Speaker is talking about the case. The speaker says he'll handle it. Interruptions in the house. The house is being adjourned. The PM will reply at 6:30, the vote will be taken at 7:15.
Update 10:30PM ACST: House reconvenes. Speaker says that the elderly members such as ABV etc, they will be allowed to vote from the inner lobby. Wishes them the best of health. Oaiswasi (MIM) rises. Interruptions. It has become a fashion that any decision of the speaker will be challenged. MIM continues.
I must thank the LoO. Through his speech, he has exposed and acted as a guardian angel for the Left. The reason we are supporting this motion is that we do not want the BJP to the power. It has given 1000 crore to the minority department whereas the NDA only gave 200 crore. It is sad that the Left withdraws support. I would like to know only muslims are targeted here, by saying "muslims are against this deal". A deal is signed not between communities, but between two nations. Interruptions. It is the PM who clarified that the foreign policy is not going to be impacted. The Left shows hatred towards muslims. If tomorrow LKA becomes PM, I will suffer, not the Left. I support the motion.
Mehbooba Mufti (PDP). I rise to support the motion. As Lalu said, many members do not know much of the deal. I happen to be one of them. After listening to people on both the sides, I have come to the conclusion that those who inititated the deal oppose it because they are not in power. They talk about renegotiating the deal. Abruptly ends.
Ram Vilas Paswan does not want to speak. Omar Abdullah speaks. I do not know if the 1 crore is true or not. I have been a member for this house for 10 years, and never have I disrupted the speaker, yet they do not have the courtesy to listen to what I have to say. I am a muslim and an Indian, and I see no distinction between the two. This is a deal between two countries, who should be treated as equals. The enemies of Indian Muslims, are not Americans but are the same enemies that all the poor people of India face. I am not a member of the UPA. I am unhappy with the way the Left has taken to certify secularism. Until a few years ago, I was a part of the NDA and the same Left considered me as an untouchable, yet now they say that all secular parties must unite with the BJP to bring the UPA now. I made the mistake of standing with them once. I will not make the same mistake again. We have fought for our land, and we will fight for it till we did. We are not communal like you (BJP). For 200 years, the Amarnath Yatra has been going on, and I will say that till muslims remain in Kashmir, the yatra will go ahead. I support the motion.
Birendra Kumar. Seeks clarifications that others have mentioned. Interruptions, yet he continues to speak.
Update 10:50PM ACST: Some more smaller parties. Representative of Bodos speaking to support the motion.
Update 11:00PM ACST: North-Eastern parties speaking. Representative of outer Manipur speaking, supports motion. Yerran Naidu (TDP) yells that he has 6 minutes, not 3 minutes. Speaker concedes. Poor guy, give him a break, he's been under tremendous pressure. TDP opposes the motion. PMO has become a counter for political deals. In the name of energy security, they are mortgaging the country's sovereignity to USA. The deal is not between two countries, but between two individuals. Why the hurry to move forward to the agreement? The 123 agreeement shows that any ambiguity means that Hyde Act will prevail. They are using all government departments to win the trust vote. They are using unethical means. What happened to the BSP MP, what happened to the BJP MPs? This is a mockery of democracy. After Independence so many PMs have moved the vote of confidence, never has this happened before. By unethical means, what is the use if you win? There is no unamity between the people of this country or the political parties. Unilateral action is not called for, consensus must be maintained. This is the issue of Bharat. That is why the UNPA wants a committee, yet the government does not want it. The PM doesn't trust the MEA. We have to postpone the deal. There is a shortage of coal
Update 11:15PM ACST: Mr Speaker, with your permission I ask a few questions to the PM. Asks a few questions. A Lady MP rises to speak. Supports the deal, and praises the PM on his honesty, integrity and trust. The BJP indulges in dirty politics. Praises Rahul Gandhi on his youth and his ideas. Urged by the speaker to finish. Supports the motion. ML Murmu (JMM) speaks. This is a country of villages, and we can only progress if there is power in the villages. We support the motion.
Update 11:25PM ACST: PM speaks. Interruptions and calls for resignation. Cannot be heard over the din. PM lays the reply on the table. Speaker puts the motion to vote. The lobby is cleared. Votes are being counted. Speaker says RS member may remain in the house, but they cannot vote, in reference to the PM.
Update 11:30PM ACST: Lobbies have been cleared. Asks members to take the seats. Ayes, Noes said. I think the ayes have it, the ayes have it. Secretary General reads out instructions. Division occurs. 253 Ayes, 232 No, Abstain 2, Total 487.
Update 11:40PM ACST: Speaker pleads for members to go to their seats, no one listens. Pathetic stuff coming from the top leadership here. They can't seem to control their own people. Result has not been announced the speaker says. Counting still underway
Update 11:45PM ACST: Still shows the same results as at 11:30PM. Counting still underway. UPA doesn't care, they think they've won. MPs defy speaker's pleads and still congregate near UPA Chair and PM.
Update 11:50PM ACST: Same situation
Update 11:55PM ACST: Still no change. Counting still on.
Update 12:00AM ACST: Still no change.
Update 12:05AM ACST: Allegedly some party MPs could not vote as they were not in their seats.
Update 12:10AM ACST: No advancement in the counting. Still counting.
Update 12:15AM ACST: See above. This will be my penultimate update. I think we all know that the UPA will win the trust vote. I will update it one final time tomorrow. Thankyou to all who have logged in. Once again all comments are welcome!
